TULSI GABBARD: We started this [podcast episode] by saying like, how did we get here? What you just outlined is exactly how we got here. So much of this has been happening already, you know, for decades in some of these incredibly, I don’t even know what you call them, in a lot of the universities — and then you start seeing it, okay, well, here’s the boundary today. Okay, cool. Got that. We’re going to shift it, we’re going to shift the, you know, the goalposts. Okay, cool got that. We’re going to shift the goalposts, we’re going to shift the goalposts.
JOE ROGAN: It never ends.
GABBARD: It doesn’t.
ROGAN: It never ends.
GABBARD: And that’s where the thing that I, you know, people warned against in the past, but it’s hard to imagine that it would be possible, certainly within our lifetimes, the normalization of pedophilia.
ROGAN: Yes.
GABBARD: What you said, ‘the minor attracted persons’ and ‘don’t stigmatize that,’ you know, ‘we’re all people, we should all be allowed to celebrate ourselves’ and all this other crap. We’re talking about kids.
ROGAN: Yeah.
GABBARD: And how a lot of these same people who are saying, ‘hey, if you refuse to use pronouns, you’re fired.’ A friend of mine in a huge New York law firm, corporate policy is, you have to put your pronouns in your email signature block or you will have to talk to the HR department. And he’s like, one of the partners at this law firm, he’s like, this is bulls***.
ROGAN: Now, why did they make that distinction? What kind of pressure forced them into having something as crazy as like, you have to have your pronouns?
GABBARD: I don’t know. It’s, I think that it’s driven by fear.
ROGAN: But like what percentage of the people are having a problem identifying someone without pronouns? Like how many people are we talking about?
GABBARD: I would imagine it’s a very small number.
ROGAN: It’s a very small number. It just, the number of people that identify as trans is higher than it’s ever been before, which is really weird that that’s not consistent. And you could say, ‘Well, it’s because they feel comfortable doing that, because it’s accepted part of society,’ like maybe, but according to Abigail Schrier, who wrote that book, ‘Irreversible Damage,’ with young girls, it’s up an extraordinary amount, like a preposterous amount, where they have these clusters of girls who identify as trans in school where you get like, eight, nine kids that just all in a friend group identify as trans. And she’s like, there’s a very distinct possibility that this is a social contagion. And that there are and without the denying that some people are trans because there are, but it’s like, how do you know now? Because this is one of those incredibly bizarre human issues, where it’s open to interpretation, like this guy, or woman, whatever, with the giant rubber boobs [in Canada] can just say that they are a woman, and everyone has to back off. Because of that, because of a lack of an ability to prove something, now you’re in this area where it’s open to how someone feels. And that you could just decide, well, that’s how you get male prisoners who go into female prisons and impregnate inmates, which is so crazy. That’s how you get male athletes who want to compete in women’s sports and when the women complain, they get kicked off the team and forced out of the locker room, which we’re seeing. Which is nuts! Because it’s just how you feel.
GABBARD: Yep. But this is the problem is when you have this, it’s the Democratic Party leadership, it’s the progressive Left, that is so ideologically zealous about this cause because it’s the cause today — tomorrow, it will be something else. They create this culture of fear that there will be consequences toward those who differ. And also that they just don’t believe in truth. And so whatever they say is true today is true today, whatever they say is true tomorrow is true tomorrow. But the danger of that is you take away all the boundaries of what is true and what is false. You take away the boundaries of the things that science actually does prove, and what are we left with then? We have no foundation. And then we end up where we’re at like, ‘Okay, well, today we’re going to promote pedophiles. That’s what we’re going to promote. Today we’re going to, we’re going to push books in public schools, kindergarten, first grade, third grade, fifth grade, that are causing your child to say, well, I don’t know if I’m a boy, or I don’t know if I’m a girl.’ I saw some of these books that some of the parents in Virginia and other states are protesting at their boards of education, trying to get these books removed from their kid’s schools, these books — like, I thought, okay, how bad can it be? I saw them, and they are some of the most graphic images I’ve ever seen in my life.
ROGAN: Including oral sex.
GABBARD: Including oral sex. And this is, this is targeted toward 12 year olds, 13 year olds.
ROGAN: It’s so strange that we’ve gone this far, like, into cuckoo land.
GABBARD: It seems like it’s happened so quickly, but that’s where, if we actually stop and think about it, it has been very intentional and the groundwork has been laid over time.
ROGAN: Do you think it’s intentional, like planned out? Or do you think that there is an ideology that gets accepted, and then that ideology — it’s like a forest fire, it feeds off new fuel, so it has to expand its boundaries?
GABBARD: I think, I think it’s probably a combination of both.
ROGAN: So if it is intentional, whose intention is it to spread this?
GABBARD: People who, I mean, it’s the very same people who are doing it now, I think, over time, trying to see how far they can push, you know, I mean, the sexualization of our kids in our society. You know, I don’t know exactly who the person is, or the group is, or whatever. But we can’t have gotten to this place by accident.
ROGAN: Why not?
GABBARD: Because it’s happened so methodically, and so quickly over time.
ROGAN: But if it’s a mind virus, which what I think it is, and I think that these, these ideological perspectives that are not grounded in reality get accepted by people, and then they promote it, these people are promoting it without any conversation with some cabal of evil leaders. It’s clear there’s a mechanism in play. And that mechanism is very easy to follow. You could see where it starts in universities; you could also you can also see that in these universities, these people that are promoting these things, and teaching children, also grew up in the university system themselves. And most of them don’t have any real world experience. They have experience going from being in a university, to teaching in university, and then promoting these ideologies that are preposterous to the rest of the world, as if they’re smarter than the rest of the world, and then that keeps spreading; it needs more fuel. So it keeps moving further and further to the left and further and further into crazy land. But I think just by observing that, just by observing the fact that these people that are promoting these things, they’re not being paid to do it. They’re stuck in this mind virus. And this woke mind virus, this ideological mind virus is trackable. You can see it, and you could see out infects people. I’ve seen it infect people.
