1980s Monkey Rap Legend The Kidd Creole Suspected in Deadly Stabbing of Homeless Man

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1980s Rap Legend The Kidd Creole Suspected in Deadly Stabbing of Homeless Man: Sources

8/2/17

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Nathaniel Glover, aka The Kidd Creole of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, is being questioned in connection with the deadly stabbing of a homeless man, law enforcement sources tell News 4 New York.

Glover was taken into custody in the Bronx on Tuesday and is currently being questioned at the 13th Precinct in Manhattan. He is expected to be officially charged around 8 p.m., sources said.

The homeless man, identified as 55-year-old John Jolly, was stabbed in the chest near Third Avenue and East 44th Street shortly before midnight on Monday, according to sources.

Jolly was taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was pronounced dead about an hour later, sources said, adding that Jolly had been staying at a homeless shelter in the Bowery.
 
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Man stabbed to death, allegedly by rapper The Kidd Creole, ID’d; possible motive named

Posted 6:32 AM, August 3, 2017,

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MANHATTAN — A man stabbed to death, allegedly at the hands of a former member of the 1980s hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, was identified Thursday.

John Jolly, 55, was fatally stabbed following an argument on East 44th and Third Avenue shortly before midnight Tuesday, according to police.

The next day Nathaniel "The Kidd Creole" Glover Jr. was arrested in the stabbing, and charged with second-degree murder, police said.

Sources say Glover was working as a security guard :confused:on the block in which Jolly was killed, and the pair argued before the stabbing. They are not believed to have known each other previously.

Glover may have suspected Jolly was hitting on him
, sources tell the NY Daily News.

“He turned, interpreting that the guy was making an advance toward him,” the source told the newspaper. “One thing led to another, and he shivved him twice in the chest.”

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In the 1970s and ‘80s, Glover was known as The Kidd Creole in the pioneering hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, which was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007.

At that time, Glover was arrested once for possession of a weapon, in 1982. Following the group’s disbandment, he was arrested three more times, twice for the same charge, in 1995 and 2007. His 1997 arrest is sealed.

The 57-year-old was taken into custody in the Bronx, at which time he confessed to the killing, sources said.

Jolly lived in a halfway house in Manhattan when he was stabbed to death, and was a registered sex offender with 17 prior arrests, the most recent being a drug offense, police sources said.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/02/hip-hop-legend-charged-with-murdering-homeless-man/

Hip-hop legend charged with murdering homeless man
By Larry Celona, Tina Moore and Chris Perez
August 2, 2017 | 9:04pm | Updated

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Nathaniel Glover goes by the stage name Kidd Creole with seminal rap group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Steven Hirsch


Rapper Kidd Creole — one of the founding members of the legendary hip-hop group, Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 — has been charged with murder for the stabbing of a homeless man who he thought was hitting on him in Midtown.

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The 57-year-old Bronxite, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover, was arrested at his home in Mt. Hope on Wednesday after allegedly killing the individual on Tuesday night, according to police sources.

He had gotten into a shouting match with the man — identified as 55-year-old John Jolly, a registered sex offender — at the corner of E. 44th St. and Third Avenue before the stabbing occurred, the sources said.

After the incident, Glover apparently fled and left Jolly, who was drunk, bleeding on the sidewalk.

Cops later found him and thought he was just too intoxicated to stand, but then noticed multiple stab wounds in his chest and rushed him to Bellevue Hospital — where he was pronounced dead.

A high-ranking police source told The Post that Jolly was an ex-con who did six years on rape charges.

He’s been arrested at least three times for sexual assault, the source said.

After being found by officers, Jolly refused to cooperate with police — and even declined to ID his killer or go to the hospital.

“I guess he didn’t think he was going to die,” the source said.

According to officials, Glover works in the area of Midtown where the murder occurred as a maintenance man and security guard.

Police sources said he thought the man was coming on to him.

The legendary lyricist rose to fame in the 1970s after forming Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five with rappers Melle Mel, Keith Cowboy, Mr. Ness/Scorpio, Rahiem, and DJ Joseph Saddler, better known as Grandmaster Flash.

Their songs, “The Message” and “White Lines (Don’t Do It),” helped catapult the group to stardom in the ’80s and made them household names in the hip-hop world.

They would eventually break up, though, citing personal differences. The group briefly reunited in 1987 before eventually disbanding for good.

Flash and the Furious Five would go on to become the very first hip-hop group to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007.

Over the years, Creole has tried to stay relevant by using social media to promote his shows. He tweets and posts pictures regularly — even popping a tribute to Keith Cowboy, who died in 1989, just before he was arrested on Wednesday.

“#RIP my legendary brother,” Creole tweeted at 3:02 p.m. “#Salute.”
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/03/kidd-creole-didnt-like-homeless-man-hitting-on-him-prosecutors/

Kidd Creole didn’t like homeless man hitting on him: prosecutors
By Rebecca Rosenberg
August 3, 2017 | 4:54pm

Rapper Kidd Creole — one of the founding members of the legendary hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five— fatally stabbed a homeless man after the victim said, “What’s Up?” according to details released Thursday.

Kidd Creole, a k a Nathaniel Glover of the Bronx, thought derelict John Jolly was hitting on him, prompting him to whip a steak knife from his sleeve and attack him on a Turtle Bay street on Tuesday night, prosecutors said in Manhattan court.

After Jolly, 55, was stabbed, his shirt stained with blood, he picked up his beer again, took a swig, staggered about a block, then collapsed and died, prosecutors said.

Glover, 57, sported a neatly braided gray ponytail as he was arraigned on one count of second-degree murder.

“He thought the complainant was hitting on him and thought that, ‘If this guy was hitting on me, he must think I’m gay, too,’ and that infuriated him,” Assistant District Attorney Mark Dahl told Judge Phyllis Chu, successfully arguing for remand.

Glover tried to ignore Jolly, who was leaning against a wall sipping a beer at East 43rd St. and Third Avenue, at first and kept walking, he told authorities. But he became concerned that Jolly, a registered sex offender, might rob him, he allegedly said.

As he looked over his shoulder, the victim allegedly moved toward him and barked, “All I said to you was, ‘What’s up?’ the prosecutor said.

Glover whipped the knife from his sleeve and allegedly stabbed Jolly twice in the chest, then ran.

The pair’s verbal confrontation is caught on surveillance video, but the stabbing is not, Dahl said.

“You see the defendant reach into his left sleeve, and both the defendant and complainant move out of the camera’s range,” the prosecutor said. The victim stumbles back into the frame, a blood stain on the front of his shirt, and “reaches down, picks up his beer and takes a swig.”

The ex-con, who served a six-year stint in prison for rape, made it about a block then collapsed on the sidewalk. He was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Glover told authorities that after the stabbing, he reported for a shift at a building in the neighborhood, where he works maintenance.

He greeted his co-workers, then headed to the bathroom, where he washed the alleged murder weapon. He changed into his work clothes but 15 minutes later decided he wanted to go home, Glover allegedly told authorities.

When Glover got off at his stop in the Bronx, he tossed the knife in a sewer, the prosecutor said.

Defense lawyer Patrick Watts said his client’s statements weren’t voluntarily obtained and told Dahl they shouldn’t be read in public.

Glover was identified through surveillance video and arrested at his home in Mt. Hope on Wednesday, cops said.

Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five was established in the 1970s in the South Bronx and inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007.

The crew included DJ Joseph Saddler aka Grandmaster Flash and rappers Melle Mel, Keith Cowboy, Mr. Ness/Scorpio and Rahiem.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/03/kidd-creoles-fall-from-hip-hop-to-rock-bottom/

Kidd Creole’s fall from hip-hop icon to rock bottom
By Kevin Sheehan, Rebecca Rosenberg and Ruth Brown
August 3, 2017 | 10:58pm | Updated

“White Lines” was a worldwide smash for Grandmaster Flash and his crew — and white lines brought them crashing down.

The iconic 1983 anti-drug anthem — along with seminal hip-hop hit “The Message” — made the group a household name. But by the time “White Lines” hit the airwaves, cocaine had already torn the group apart, a split that would send many of the members spiraling into addiction, obscurity, even the grave.

Founding member MC Kidd Creole’s hit rock bottom on Wednesday when he was arrested for the murder of a homeless man.

Cops cuffed Creole after finding him in an 8-by-10-foot hovel at a Bronx rooming house, where he lived when he wasn’t working as a security and maintenance man — a world away from the lifestyle he once enjoyed, touring the world and headlining sold-out theaters.

“Kidd Creole is one of the ones who started hip-hop . . . He’s good people, but things happened to him,” said neighbor and longtime friend Guy Stevens, 48, a former actor who appeared in the 1979 cult classic “The Warriors” but now lives directly below Creole in the run-down Mount Hope house, where on Thursday the 4 train rumbled deafeningly overhead while a man smoked drugs on the stoop.

“We learned the politics of movies and music together. And that’s how we both ended up here.”

The building is just a few miles from where Creole — born Nathaniel Glover — and his little brother Melvin, a k a Melle Mel, created a new way of reciting rhymes on the streets of Morrisania, first learning poetry from sister Glander, then coming up with their own lyrics, and finally trading refrains back and forth.

When they met Grandmaster Flash — a local kid born Joseph Saddler — showing of his break-beat DJing styles in a local park in 1975, they knocked the turntablist’s socks off.

“Creole swam like a fish. He had a smooth glide to match. Even his hair — braided in tight, thin rows — looked like scales on top of his head,” Flash wrote in his 2008 biography, “The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash: My Life, My Beats.”

“Rhyming on the mic was what truly brought this kid’s soul to life . . . . if you gave him a word, Creole would flow with it for five minutes, going off like a marathon runner. In a word, Creole was fluid.”

Along with rappers Keith “Cowboy” Wiggins, Eddie “Scorpio” Morris and Guy Todd “Rahiem” Williams, they formed Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.

The group quickly moved from playing parties and parks to bigger and bigger clubs, released their debut single in 1979 and signed with Sugar Hill Records — the year the label’s signature group, The Sugarhill Gang, released hip-hop’s first Top 40 single, “Rapper’s Delight.”

In 1980, the group had more hits with “Freedom,” “Birthday Party” and Flash’s influential single “The Adventures of Grandmaster Flash on the Wheels of Steel.”

But by the time their politically-charged breakout track, “The Message,” hit the streets, the wheels were already coming off. The song, despite being released under the group’s name, only featured Melle Mel. The rest of the band had been cut out.

Still, the whole group was able to enjoy the party lifestyle that came with their fame — and that included the growing presence of drugs in their lives.

“We had been dabbling from 1979 ’til about ’83. It came to a head in about ’83 — especially for me,” Rahiem told Tha Foundation in 2005.

And their drug of choice was cocaine.

“It was the think to do. That was before crack came out. Cocaine was like the high-profile drug. Good cocaine was like $100 a gram. All the pretty girls and the entertainers liked cocaine. It wasn’t like it’s seen now,” Melle Mel said in a 2003 interview with AllHipHop.

Tensions were also growing among the band members and their record label.

By 1983, when Melle Mel released “White Lines (Don’t Don’t Do It),” Flash had stopped touring with the band, was nursing a serious coke habit — and was suing Sugar Hill for past royalties.

The track — which once again featured no other members of the group — started out as an ode to cocaine, but ended up including the pious “don’t buy it!” refrain to make it more radio friendly.

“Now the guys are saying no to drugs on this new record, but I bet they’re out looking for the dope man just like me,” Flash wrote in “My Life, My Beats.” “This song’s one big hypocritical joke.”

The next year everything came to a head and the group finally split.

Melle Mel, Scorpio and Cowboy stayed with Sugar Hill and formed Grandmaster Melle Mel and the Furious Five — but Creole turned away from his brother, instead sticking by Flash and Rahiem and moving to Elektra Records.

Hitching his wagon to a junkie would not turn out to be the greatest life choice. While his crew enjoyed some commercial success, Flash smoked his way into oblivion, finally winding up hospitalized in a coma for two days in 1984.

Meanwhile, Melle Mel’s career was soaring. He appeared in the film “Beat Street” and had a hit song off the title track, before rapping on Chaka Khan’s Grammy-winning “I Feel for You” in 1985.

The group reunited in 1988 with the album “On the Strength,” but it wasn’t a success, and the Furious Five broke up for good.

The next year, Cowboy died of a crack overdose.

Even Melle Mel says he succumbed for several years.

“I didn’t get hooked on coke all that much. But when, crack came out, I did crack. I was a crack head at one time,” he told AllHipHop.
Creole, meanwhile, faded into obscurity.

His path to living in a tiny room with a shared kitchen at Mount Hope Place and Jerome Avenue isn’t entirely clear.

Friends and neighbors said they didn’t know whether the demons that plagued his bandmates had played a role, abruptly ending the conversation when asked.

“I don’t know about that. I’m not about that,” said Stevens.

Neighbors say Nathaniel Glover lives a largely civilian life and rarely talks about his former fame.

“He walks through crowds of people who don’t know who he is, young rappers, and he never tells them that he started hip-hop,” said neighbor and rapper Jaime Dobson, 25. “Most of the time he’s coming and going to work. But every once in a while he’s dressed up real nice and getting into a limo outside, going to an awards event.”

One of those events was when Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2007, when he sported a dapper purple waistcoats and bow tie.

Flash still isn’t on good terms with Glover, Rahiem told HipHopDX on Thursday. “He’s not close with his family, so I don’t believe anyone in his family is in contact with him,” he told the site.

Glover has also had some run-ins with the law. He was arrested in 1995 for possession of a loaded 9mm handgun and live ammo and again in 2007 for packing a gravity knife.

These days, he always carries a steak knife strapped to his arm for protection, a court heard Thursday.

That’s the weapon cops say he used to fatally stab derelict John Jolly, 55, on Tuesday night — allegedly whipping the blade out of his sleeve because he thought the bum was trying to hit on him by saying, “What’s Up?’’ as they passed on a Turtle Bay street.

Glover was arraigned on one count of second-degree murder.

“He thought the complainant was hitting on him and thought that, ‘If this guy was hitting on me, he must think I’m gay, too,’ and that infuriated him,” Assistant District Attorney Mark Dahl told Judge Phyllis Chu, successfully arguing for remand.

Glover tried to ignore Jolly, who was leaning against a wall sipping a beer at East 43rd Street and Third Avenue, at first and kept walking, he told authorities. But he became concerned that Jolly, a registered sex offender, might rob him, Glover allegedly said.

As he looked over his shoulder, the victim allegedly moved toward him and barked, “All I said to you was, ‘What’s up?’ the prosecutor said.

Glover pulled the knife from his sleeve and allegedly stabbed Jolly twice in the chest, then ran.

Glover told authorities that after the stabbing, he reported for a shift at the building where he works.

He greeted his co-workers, then headed to the bathroom, where he washed the alleged murder weapon.

He changed into his work clothes but 15 minutes later decided he wanted to head home, Glover allegedly told authorities.

When Glover got off at his stop in The Bronx, he tossed the knife in a sewer, the prosecutor said.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/08/kidd-creole-indicted-for-alleged-murder-of-homeless-man/

Kidd Creole indicted for alleged murder of homeless man
By Rebecca Rosenberg
August 8, 2017 | 6:02pm

Rapper Kidd Creole — a founding member of the hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five — was indicted Tuesday in connection with the stabbing death of a homeless man.

The exact charges against ​the rapper, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover​, ​were not revealed, but he was arrested on one count of second-degree murder.

Glover, 57, who is being held without bail, did not appear for the brief proceeding in Manhattan Criminal Court.

The Bronx native allegedly became irate after he thought derelict John Jolly, 55, had made a pass at him Aug. 1 at E​. 43rd St​.​ and Third Avenue, according to prosecutors.

Jolly, a convicted sex offender, was leaning against a wall, swigging a beer when he allegedly said, “What’s up?” to Glover.

After a brief exchange, the rapper allegedly pulled out a steak knife and stabbed Jolly twice in the chest, according to the criminal complaint.

Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five, a legendary hip-hop group established in the 1970s in the South Bronx, became a household name from hits like “The Message” and “White Lines.”

But Glover had since fallen into obscurity working as a maintenance man in Manhattan and living in a Bronx rooming house.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/08/23/kidd-creole-arraigned-for-murder-of-homeless-man/

Kidd Creole arraigned for murder of homeless man
By Rebecca Rosenberg
August 23, 2017 | 3:07pm | Updated

Faded cRapper Kidd Creole was arraigned Wednesday on his indictment for second-degree murder in the fatal stabbing of a homeless man.

“Not guilty, sir,” the rapper, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover, told Justice Daniel FitzGerald during a brief appearance in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The 57-year-old Glover, who is being held without bail, wore a wrinkled white T-shirt and his gray hair pulled back in a braid.

Glover — a founding member of the legendary hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five — allegedly became enraged after he thought drifter John Jolly hit on him on the street Aug. 1.

“What’s up?” Jolly, 55, allegedly barked at Glover at East 43rd St. and Third Avenue in Manhattan, according to prosecutors.

Glover, who was en route to a maintenance job in the neighborhood, whipped out a steak knife and stabbed Jolly twice in the chest, authorities said.

The defendant’s lawyer, Patrick Watts, declined to comment on the case but said his client is doing “fine.”

Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five was founded in the South Bronx in the 1970s and quickly became a household name with hits such as “The Message.”

The crew disbanded in the late ‘90s, and Glover fell into obscurity, living in a dilapidated Bronx rooming house.
 
http://nypost.com/2017/09/07/kidd-creole-plans-psych-defense-in-homeless-man-murder-trial/

Kidd Creole plans psych defense in homeless man murder trial
By Rebecca Rosenberg
September 7, 2017 | 5:55pm | Updated

cRapper Kidd Creole plans to offer a psychiatric defense at his upcoming murder trial for the fatal stabbing of a homeless man, court papers reveal.

Attorneys for the founding member of legendary hip-hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five made the admission in a Manhattan Supreme Court motion filed Tuesday.

“The defense gives notice that at the defendant’s trial the defense intends to present psychiatric evidence of mental disease or defect,” wrote lawyer Patrick Watts.

The papers do not specify the nature of the mental illness that the rapper — whose real name is Nathaniel Glover — suffered from when he allegedly murdered grifter John Jolly, 55, in Midtown Aug. 1st.

Glover, 57, who is being held without bail, allegedly boiled over after he thought that Jolly had made a pass at him at East 43rd Street and Third Avenue, according to prosecutors.

“What’s up?” asked Jolly, prompting Glover to allegedly stab him in the chest twice with a steak knife, officials said.

Watts states in the papers that Glover “did not intentionally cause the death of John Jolly” and intends to testify on his own behalf.

The filing further asks Justice Maxwell Wiley to toss evidence seized from Glover’s Bronx home, including a white t-shirt, dress shirt and sweatshirt, arguing that authorities didn’t have a warrant.

The shocking crime highlighted the pioneering rapper’s descent from chart-topping artist into obscurity. Glover was working a maintenance job and living in a rundown Bronx rooming house at the time of his arrest.

A judge is expected to rule on the motion Dec. 18. Glover is charged with a single count of second-degree murder.
 

Kidd Creole ‘didn’t intend to harm’ homeless man he fatally stabbed: attorney​



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Rapper Kidd Creole feared for his life when he fatally stabbed a homeless man in Midtown five years ago, his attorney claimed Friday as the embattled hip-hop pioneer’s murder trial got underway.
The 61-year-old rapper, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover, is accused of stabbing vagrant John Jolly, 55, after a verbal confrontation in Midtown in 2017 because he thought Jolly was hitting on him.
But attorney Scottie Celestin blamed Jolly’s death on a mix of alcohol and the sedative Versed, which was given to him at the hospital because he was being combative with emergency workers.
Celestin said Glover thought “the victim might harm him.”
“My client was in fear, he was in fear for his life,” Celestin said. “He didn’t intend to harm Mr. Jolly.”
Assistant district attorney Mark Dahl said Glover made a “stunning and candid” confession when he spoke to police after Jolly had died.
“I should have just kept going, should have just kept going,” Glover said, according to Dahl. “It’s all my fault. I chose to stab him. I have to take responsibility for that.”
Rapper Kidd Creole is accused of fatally stabbing homeless man John Jolly in Midtown in 2017.Rapper Kidd Creole is accused of fatally stabbing homeless man John Jolly in Midtown in 2017.Steven Hirsch
When Glover was first taken into custody, he spoke twice to detectives and the assistant DA before asking if the victim had died, Dahl said. When Glover was told the victim was dead, he was if there was anything he wanted to tell the family, said Dahl.
“Tell them, ‘I didn’t mean to kill him,’” Glover responded, according to Dahl’s account.
Glover appeared in court wearing dark suit, off-white shirt and cream team, his grayed hair braided in a ponytail. He wore a mask and was cuffed when he first arrived, before saying “good morning” to the judge.
Rapper Kidd Creole apparently left a written bathroom note warning about not “pissing on the toilet seat.”Kidd Creole apparently left a written bathroom note warning about not “pissing on the toilet seat,” in his Bronx apartment.Robert Miller  John Jolly was killed in the stabbing.John Jolly was killed in the stabbing.Splash News
Once a member of the iconic group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Glover had become a low-key maintenance worker living in a rooming house in The Bronx by the time of the deadly clash.
He was on his way to work on Aug. 1, 2017 when Jolly, a registered sex offender, allegedly called out, “What’s up?” to the rapper as he passed the corner of East 44th Street and Third Avenue.
Glover told cops he “suspected the man was gay,” according to the prosecution, but he couldn’t hear what Jolly said because he was wearing earphones. He took out the earphones and asked Jolly to repeat himself.
Kidd Creole on trial for the 2017 crime.Kidd Creole on trial for the 2017 crime.Steven Hirsch Kidd Creole during 2005 VH1 Hip Hop Honors - Pre-Party at Splashlight Studios in New York City, New York.Kidd Creole originally couldn’t hear what Jolly said because he was wearing headphones.WireImage
“Nothing up bro, nothing up bro,” Glover replied, according to prosecutors.
Jolly followed Glover, who pulled a steak knife he kept tied to his wrist with rubber bands and stabbed the drunk homeless man in the chest. Glover had been robbed before in 2005, his attorney said.
But the prosecutor said the only justification for stabbing jolly was because the victim said, “What’s up?”
A refrigerator door note shows Rapper Kidd Creole had ranted about tenants not cleaning up after themselves.A refrigerator door note shows Kidd Creole had ranted about tenants not cleaning up after themselves.Robert Miller
“Those are the words in the defendant’s mind that was so threatening and menacing that he had no choice but to defend himself with a deadly physical force,” Dahl said.
Glover has previously taken issue with that characterization he thought Jolly was hitting on him.
“Now I’m fighting the image that they portrayed me as a person who’s intolerant of people with alternative lifestyles and that’s not true,” he told The Source magazine in an interview from behind bars earlier this month.
Grandmaster Flash (seated in center) and the Furious FiveGrandmaster Flash and the Furious Five in 1980.Anthony Barboza/Getty Images Rapper Kidd Creole is known for being part of famous hip hop groups such as Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.Kidd Creole is known for being part of famous hip hop group Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.WPIX-TV via AP
“They made me seem like I was the villain and the person who actually attacked me was the victim,” Glover said in the interview. “How do they justify charging me with murder when this guy attacked me?”
Prosecutors said Glover went to work after the stabbing and wiped blood from the blade with a tissue, which he flushed down a toilet. He returned home to Mount Hope after being told there was no work and took a different route home, prosecutors said.
 


Kidd Creole found guilty of manslaughter in 2017 stabbing death of homeless man​



By
Jack Morphet,

Steven Hirsch and

Jorge Fitz-Gibbon


April 6, 2022 5:14pm
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Cheryl Horry, cousin of victim John Jolly, was in court today for Kidd Creole's trial













Rapper Kidd Creole was found guilty of manslaughter Wednesday in the 2017 stabbing death of a homeless man during an argument in Manhattan.
The 61-year-old hip-hop pioneer, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover, put his head down and closed his eyes as the verdict was read in Manhattan Supreme Court — just about three hours after the jury began deliberating.
He told his lawyer to get home safely and thanked the judge before being led from the courtroom.
Earlier on Wednesday, Glover’s defense attorney claimed that doctors at Bellevue Hospital — and not the rapper — were responsible for the death of vagrant John Jolly.
“Those stabbings did not cause his death,” lawyer Scottie Celestin told the jurors during closing arguments. “I believe the hospital killed this man.”
He added: “They killed this man, and they’re trying to protect the hospital.”
Glover, a former member of Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, allegedly stabbed Jolly to death during a dispute in Midtown.
Rapper Kidd Creole, whose real name is Nathaniel Glover, is arraigned in New York, Thursday, Aug. 3, 2017.Rapper Kidd Creole allegedly stabbed vagrant John Jolly to death during a dispute in Midtown in 2017.Steven Hirsch Mugshot of John JollyJolly died from a mix of alcohol and the sedative Versed given to him by hospital staff, Creole’s lawyer Scottie Celestin alleges.Splash News Defense Attorney Scottie Celestin making his closing argument. “They’re trying to protect the hospital,” Celestin added.Steven Hirsch
Celestin claimed during the trial that Glover acted in self-defense and that the stab wounds were not life-threatening.
He previously blamed 55-year-old Jolly’s death on a mix of alcohol and the sedative Versed, which was given to him at the hospital because he was being combative with emergency workers.
The victim’s cousin called the claim “baloney.”
Cheryl Horry, cousin of victim John Jolly gives an interview in the hallway. Jolly’s cousin Cheryl Horry called Celestin’s argument “baloney.”Steven Hirsch Pictured is ADA Mark Dahl making his closing argument.ADA Mark Dahl said Celestin’s argument slanders the hospital staff who tried to save Jolly’s life.Steven Hirsch
“OK, [Glover] is a celebrity, but he committed a crime,” Cheryl Horry, 53, said outside the courthouse.
“It was murder. He could have kept on walking, and my cousin would still be alive,” Horry added. “My cousin liked to drink but he was a sweetheart.”
Prosecutor Mark Dahl agreed, calling Celestin’s claim “absurd.”
Kidd Creole leave the courtroom.Creole’s team said the former rapper was acting in self-defense when he stabbed Jolly.Steven Hirsch
“He kept trying to isolate little aspects of Mr. Jolly’s condition to say that was indicative of his condition on the whole,” Dahl told jurors during his summation. “It’s like if you totaled your car and the insurance assessor says, ‘the back right safety belt still operates.’ That doesn’t reflect whether the car was on fire.
“The defense slanders the very people who attempted to save Mr. Jolly’s life,” he said.
Jurors in the case began deliberations at around 3 p.m.
Glover is expected to be sentenced on May 4.
 
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