There's good chance 2024 Pres. election will be affected by 3rd party, suckers

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Third-Party Candidates Will Swing The Election​

BY TYLER DURDEN
FRIDAY, MAR 01, 2024 - 09:20 PM
Authored by James Rickards via DailyReckoning.com,

Link: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/third-party-candidates-will-swing-election/

Although my focus is on markets rather than politics, it’s impossible to forecast markets without understanding what’s going on in the political realm. While there are important Senate and House races this year, all eyes are focused on the presidential race likely (as of now) to be between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
A Trump vs. Biden (if he makes it) replay of the 2020 election could be close and is difficult to predict this far in advance. But we can say that the simple narrative of Trump vs. Biden does not come close to capturing the complexities of what’s ahead.

In the first place, Biden may not even be the Democratic nominee because of his obvious physical and mental disabilities. I’ll save the Biden story for another day. For now, let’s look at the other wild card affecting the 2024 election — the role of third parties.
Most observers disregard third-party candidates. They typically get 1–2% of the vote, don’t come close to winning individual states and have no impact on the final electoral results. That’s true, but there are some important historical exceptions.
To understand the potential impact of third parties and get a preview of what might happen this year, we need to look at three critical elections. In reverse chronological order, they are 1992, 1968 and 1912.

In 1992, Ross Perot won about 19% of the popular vote (that’s huge for a third-party candidate) but he won no states. Still, his impact on the final result was enormous. Perot was an early version of “America First.” He leaned conservative, although he had unconventional views on a number of policy issues. On balance, he took more votes from George H.W. Bush than he did from Bill Clinton.
In the end, Clinton won with 43% of the vote and carried 32 states (plus D.C.) compared to 37.5% of the vote and 18 states for George H.W. Bush. But if Perot’s 18.9% of the vote were divided two-thirds for Bush and one-third for Clinton (as some analysts suggest), Bush might easily have won several more states.
Moving those electoral votes from the Clinton column to the Bush column would have changed the outcome of the election. Perot marked the downfall of Bush’s chances for a second term.
In 1968, George Wallace as a third-party candidate actually did win five states (Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia) and got 46 electoral votes. But that was not enough to stop Nixon, who won 32 states and got 301 electoral votes.
The key to Nixon’s victory was the dismal performance of Hubert Humphrey, who won only 13 states (plus D.C.) and got 191 electoral votes. The popular vote was much closer, 43.4% for Nixon and 42.7% for Humphrey, but the popular vote doesn’t count; it’s the electoral vote that decides elections. The lesson of 1968 is that even when a third-party wins states, it does not necessarily stop a major party candidate from winning the election outright.
An even more interesting case is 1912. This election involved Woodrow Wilson (Democrat), William Taft (Republican) and Teddy Roosevelt (Bull Moose). Roosevelt had been president from 1901–1909 but stepped aside in 1909 to allow Taft to succeed him.
In 1912, Roosevelt challenged Taft for the Republican nomination but lost. At that point, Roosevelt formed his new Bull Moose third party and ran in the general election.
Wilson got 40 states and 435 electoral votes, a landslide. Roosevelt actually ran ahead of Taft. TR got six states and 88 electoral votes. Taft finished third with two states and 8 electoral votes. (A fourth candidate, Eugene V. Debs, got 6% of the vote and no states running as a socialist.)
The dynamic was also interesting. Roosevelt and Taft split the Republican vote about evenly, 27.4% for TR and 23.2% for Taft. Together, the Republicans had 50.6% of the vote, probably enough to win.
Wilson got only 41.8% of the popular vote, but that was way ahead of TR and Taft when taken individually, so he won 40 states. The lesson of that election is when a major party feuds with itself, the other party wins big.
So 1968 and 1912 are both cases in which a third party won a number of states (five for Wallace, six for Roosevelt), but still not enough to prevent a major party candidate from getting to 270 (depending on the year) electoral votes or much higher (Nixon was 301 and Wilson was 435). The 1992 election was one where the third party (Perot) won no states, but probably did change the outcome of the election in favor of Clinton.
The 2024 election with third-party candidates looks like a blend of all three elections: 1992, 1968 and 1912.
The third-party candidates running (so far) include Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Cornel West and Jill Stein.
RFK Jr. is attempting to get on the ballot in key states on his own but may abandon that effort and become the Libertarian Party candidate. The Libertarian Party is already on the ballot in almost every state. The candidate and the party are in discussions and an announcement is expected in March.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is being attacked by the media as a “fringe” candidate. In fact, he is one of the most thoughtful and truthful voices in politics today. Those qualities may transcend voter disagreement with particular policies.
Jill Stein is running as the Green Party candidate and will be on the ballot in almost every state. She is not expected to win more than about 2% of the vote, but in certain states, 2% is enough to tip the election if the Green vote comes from Biden. This happened in 2016 when the Jill Stein vote in Wisconsin may have cost Hillary Clinton that state in a contest decided by less than 1% of the vote.
Cornel West has not set up his own party yet but is endeavoring to get on the ballot in key states as RFK Jr. is. West is a socialist but is highly articulate and charismatic and will make a strong candidate. His efforts would also cost Biden votes in some key states.
Finally, there is the No Labels Party. They have been spending millions of dollars to get on the ballot in all 50 states. They have not announced a candidate yet, but they are in discussions about a fusion ticket that would include Democrat Joe Manchin and Republican Jon Huntsman (though Manchin has announced he won’t run).
The idea would be to run down the middle that considers Trump too radical and Biden too senile. I don’t expect No Labels to win any states, but they will peel votes away from Biden, handing states to Trump. That could form the basis for a Trump electoral vote landslide similar to Wilson’s in 1912.
The third parties combined — No Labels, RFK Jr., Libertarian, Cornel West and Jill Stein — could collectively take upwards of 20% of the vote like Perot in 1992. But they will principally take votes from the Democrats, the reverse of what TR did to Taft in 1912.
This would guarantee a landslide victory for Trump like Nixon in 1968.
It’s impossible to predict exactly how events will unfold. But it’s not difficult to see a wild election season with six credible parties fighting state-by-state and confounding the customary polls and pundits.
Prepare for electoral and market volatility ahead.

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CNN reporter sounds alarm on RFK Jr, says his support among voters is 'not a joke': He's at 'Ross Perot' level​

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Link: http://www.mr-mehra.com/2024/03/cnn-reporter-sounds-alarm-on-rfk-jr.html/

CNN's Harry Enten argues Robert F. Kennedy Jr. picking Aaron Rodgers as his VP would 'only hurt' Trump in November​

CNN is sounding the alarm about the 2024 impact of independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr., saying the support behind his campaign is "not a joke."
On Wednesday's installment of "Anderson Cooper 360," CNN senior data reporter Harry Enten outlined Kennedy's standing in the 2024 race, telling his colleague Anderson Cooper that the independent candidate appeals to voters "against the machine" and that it may sound "like a joke."
"But the fact is, it's not a joke," Enten said. "Look at his polling right now. He's polling at north of 15% nationally."
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Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. continues generating buzz as he is set to announce his running mate. ( Emily Elconin/Getty Images)
Providing historical context, Enten compared the strength of Kennedy's support to famed independent candidate Ross Perot, who earned nearly 20% of the vote in the 1992 presidential election and nearly 10% in the 1996 election.
Enten couldn't definitively say whether Kennedy's presence in the race takes more support away from President Biden or former President Trump, as polls have given mixed signals showing a slight edge hurting Trump, but he was far more confident in predicting that adding Aaron Rodgers as his vice presidential candidate, as Kennedy has recently floated, would peel off even more voters from Trump.
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"If he decides that he's going to go down this road of nominating someone to be or choosing someone to be his vice president who is quote, unquote, ‘anti-vax,’ that could only hurt Donald Trump because the fact is, Republicans are more likely to be against the COVID-19 vaccine and vaccines in general than Democrats are," Enten said. "So this is something I think could definitely play out during the campaign and could have a major impact on the race."
Harry Enten

CNN's Harry Enten says support for RFK Jr. is "no joke," comparing it to the support famed independent candidate Ross Perot received in 1992. (Screenshot/CNN)
The CNN reporter stressed that while it is an uphill battle for Kennedy to make the ballot in states like New York and California, he has already landed on the ballot in critical swing states like Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Nevada and is still aiming to get on the ballot in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
"In the states that are close that could actually make a difference in this campaign, the Electoral College, where it ultimately matters, RFK is going to be on the ballot. And based upon how he's polling at this particular point, he could in fact make a major difference and turn one loser into a winner and one winner into a loser," Enten said.
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He went on to cite a Quinnipiac poll that shows nearly a third of Kennedy's supporters have "no opinion" of him but are backing his candidacy anyway, suggesting it's more in protest of Biden and Trump.
"And my question is, when they really learn about his views, will they stick by him? Based upon history, I will admit, I'm a little bit skeptical," Enten added.
Aaron Rodgers and RFK Jr

Enten argued that if New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers is selected as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s running mate, it will peel more voters away from former President Trump than President Biden over his "anti-vax" stance. (Getty Images)
The RealClearPolitics average has Kennedy reaching 15% in national polls in a three-way race against Biden and Trump, with the former president ahead of his 2020 rival by 4 points. A five-way race including independent candidate Cornel West and Green Party candidate Jill Stein has Kennedy's support at 12%, with Trump having a nearly 3-point advantage over Biden.
Kennedy first launched his campaign as a Democratic challenger to Biden but switched as an independent candidate after repeatedly clashing with the DNC, specifically over its refusal to hold primary debates.
He recently rejected the notion that he's a "spoiler" candidate in an interview with Fox News' Neil Cavuto.
 

Jen Psaki Admits ‘Anti-Vaxxer Conspiracy Theorist’ RFK Jr. A ‘Huge Problem’ For Biden 2024​

by Kelen McBreen
March 21st 2024, 3:50 pm

Link: https://www.infowars.com/posts/jen-...heorist-rfk-jr-a-huge-problem-for-biden-2024/

[see vids at site link, above]

Ex-White House press secretary says RFK Jr. 'one of the biggest threats to Joe Biden being reelected'

Former Joe Biden Press Secretary and current MSNBC host Jen Psaki complained popular independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is a “problem” for Joe Biden’s 2024 campaign.
Fellow MSNBC host Mika Brzezinski asked Psaki what RFK Jr. is doing by running for president, and the ex-press secretary joked that she doesn’t want to get into his mind because he “doesn’t believe in science.”

Psaki pointed out Donald Trump’s base is loyal and will not vote for anyone else before noting third-party candidates “are a huge, huge, huge problem,” for Biden.
“If you look at RFK Jr., it’s the name recognition issue,” she told Brzezinski. “And there are still states in this country, obviously I mean, Georgia is one of them I will name where the Kennedy name is beloved, right? Where people may just not know a lot about the fact that he is an anti-vaxxer who is a conspiracy theorist. They don’t know that yet.”

It sure seems as if Psaki was insinuating the people of Georgia aren’t smart enough to vet Kennedy for themselves before supporting his presidential campaign.
She continued, explaining the Biden campaign has begun “an aggressive effort” alongside the Democratic National Committee to slander RFK as a kooky anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist.
“It needs to be broad, people need to be shouting it from the rooftops because this is one of the biggest threats to Joe Biden being reelected, is these third party candidates,” Psaki acknowledged.

The naive political pundit fails to realize the people who support Kennedy are fully aware of his anti-Big Pharma stance, and his views about the Covid pandemic and vaccines.
Kennedy’s followers also understand the media are liars and that any campaign led by the Biden campaign and DNC is just more propaganda being disseminated by the corrupt political establishment.

 

RFK Jr. Doubles Down On Calling Biden A Threat: ‘He Has A License For Any Kind Of Atrocity’​

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Link: https://www.stationgossip.com/2024/04/rfk-jr-doubles-down-on-calling-biden.html/

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Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. doubled down Tuesday on his claims that President Joe Biden poses a much greater risk to democracy than former President Donald Trump does.
Kennedy made the initial claim during a recent interview with CNN anchor Erin Burnett, and repeated his assessment during a Tuesday morning appearance on Fox News.

WATCH: [ck site link, above, top]

Fox News host Lawrence Jones opened the discussion, noting that Democrats and multiple media figures had repeatedly insisted that it was Trump, not Biden, who would pose the greatest risk to democracy as a whole.
“You raised some eyebrows yesterday when you were comparing the former president to the current president,” Jones began. “You said in an interview that you believe that Joe Biden is a bigger threat to democracy than Donald Trump.”
Jones shared a short clip from Kennedy’s CNN interview — during which he said he could “make the argument” that the threat from Biden was greater — before turning the floor over to the independent candidate.

“I said I can make that argument, and I think it’s an argument that we ought to be having,” Kennedy replied. “President — President Biden has done something that no other president in history has done, which is to order media — particularly the social media Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, Google — to censor his political opponents.”
Kennedy then detailed his own experience with the Biden administration’s alleged attempts to censor him directly.
“If you have a president who can censor his political opponents, he has a license for any kind of atrocity! THAT is a genuine threat to our democracy!” Kennedy continued.
He went on to say that he did consider some of Trump’s actions to be a threat to democracy, but that Biden’s apparent attempts to undermine the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution were far more damaging.
“Undermining the First Amendment of our Constitution and then weaponizing the federal agencies to get his opponents off the ballot — and in my case … denying me Secret Service protection, that’s never happened in history,” Kennedy added.
 
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