German Film Shatters Hitler Taboo

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The Age, July 7, 2004

Adolf Hitler is depicted in Bernd Eichinger's film The Downfall.

Directors break with tradition as the Fuehrer moves from cameo role to centre stage, writes Luke Harding.

One of the final taboos in Germany is the portrayal of Adolf Hitler in a central role on screen. He has been depicted sometimes as white space, but more usually he has little more than a cameo part, often filmed from behind.

But now, nearly 60 years after his death, two lavish German film productions set in the Third Reich a
e breaking that taboo.

Later this year and early next, German viewers will have the chance to see two Hitlers - in Bernd Eichinger's spectacular film The Downfall - Hitler and the End of the Thir
d Reich and in The Devil's Architect, a semi-documentary television s
eries by Heinrich Breloer.

Both Eichinger and Breloer are accomplished and award-winning directors and their projects feature Hitler as a fully formed main character.

The productions have prompted a debate inside Germany as to whether, with virtually all of Hitler's inner circle now dead, the Third Reich is now a fitting subject for artistic and imaginative treatment.


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"Obviously, Hitler is a very problematic person for Germans," said Dr Monika Flacke, the curator of Berlin's German Historical Museum.

"He was responsible for World War II and the Holocaust. There is something to the thesis that, if you show him on screen, you are
in danger of making him human and therefore sympathetic."

Other cultural commentators believe that with most of those directly involved in World War II now dead, the traumatic events of the
Nazi era are finally slipping into posterity.

"If an actor can now play Hitler in Germany that means the Third Reich has
become a part of history. It's no longer the painful present," said Hermann Kappelhoff, a professor of film studies at Berlin's Free University.

But he added: "I'm not totally convinced by this argument, however."

Frank Schirmacher, writing in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, added: "This much is clear: both movies break with the traditional German preoccupation with the Third Reich. (They) are the most important historical projects in many years."

The Downfall deals with the final days of the Nazi regime. It will show Hitler and Eva Braun committing suicide in his Berlin bunker on April 30, 1945, as Russian soldiers cl
ose in.

The Devil's Architect, meanwhile, will show Hitler's relationship with his personal architect, Albert Speer. Other leading Nazis appear in the series as well.

Himmler,
Goring and Goebbels all make appearances alongside other defendants at the Nuremberg trials. Even Braun is included, as are minor figures who served the Third Reich as switchboard operators,
cleaners and secretaries.

Breloer meticulously researched Speer, who spent 20 years in Spandau jail after the war, where he wrote his memoirs.

The series includes new revelations about Speer, who was also Hitler's minister for armaments, based on Breloer's discoveries in Germany's federal archives. They are apparently alarming.

Breloer met Speer in 1980, just before his death in 1981, and interviewed 23 people who knew him, including three of his children. "We see Hitler in a new light," he said.

Hitler's Reichskanzlei, his Berlin chancellery building, was recreated in a stu
dio in Cologne for the television series.

To prepare himself for his role as Hitler in Breloer's program, the actor Tobias Moretti spent hours listening to a tape secretly recorded in
1942 by a Finnish radio technician. The tape, discovered only a few years ago, features Hitler speaking in a normal voice.

Eichinger is also striving for a realistic portrayal of Hitler in The Downfall. He said recently: "We are
making a grand, epic feature film. Authenticity is the top priority."

In Eichinger's production, Bruno Ganz plays the Fuehrer. Ganz is one of Germany's most famous actors. According to reports, he hesitated before taking the role.

The film, which was shot in Berlin, Munich and St Petersburg, begins on April 20, 1945, with the Soviet army encircling the German capital.

The films come at a time when the war is being freshly debated in Germany, amid an explosion of memoirs about the trauma of the Third Reich as personal history.

"Everybod
y in Germany has a picture of Hitler in their minds. Up until now, though, this has been based on six or seven documentaries," Kappelhoff said.

"These films are an experime
nt in something different."

Skara Brae,

madkins
 
Thank you for this post madkins.

It will be interesting to see if films made in Germany

in the current Z I O N I S T occupation will reveal the

TRUE version of history or more of the Z propaganda.

One wonders why these films are being made in the first place.

PERHAPS because so much TRUTH is getting out

that Z I O N needs a new LAYER of HATE and DENIAL

to slather onto the version of their lies that keeps

breaking at the seams and dripping its filth onto the pages

of global history for all nations to see.

PERHAPS Z I O N is scared of all the PROOFS of their perfidies

that have come to light and ar
desperate to s==t on the historical

record in a new coverup.


Or would a MIRACLE take place and we get some reality ?


I would not bet on the latter for ANYTHING coming out o
f todays

Z I O N I S T OWNED Germany.

It bears watching.
 
Struggle is the father of all things

Adolf Hitler(1889-1945)



BBC.-Europe
Last Updated: Tuesday, 24 August, 2004, 11:18 GMT 12:18 UK


German film breaks Hitler taboo

Adolf Hitler is played by German actor Bruno Ganz
A new film which breaks one of the last taboos of German cinema by portraying Hitler in a central role, has premiered in Berlin.
The Downfall, written and produced by Bernd Eichinger, follows Hitler's final days leading up to his suicide.

Rather than showing Hitler as a malicious dictator, it portrays him as a soft-spoken man with a human side.

It has caused controversy in a country still trying to come
o terms with the events of World War II.

'Monster'

Dr Rolf Giesen, from the Film Museum in Berlin, told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme the film had broken taboos in German cinema. <b
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"It is not the first time that they have shown Adolf Hitler on the screen, but
it is certainly the first time that they have tried to discover the human touch in that monster," he said.

"It is aimed at the generation who did not know about the terrors of World War II and national socialism.


Juliane Kohler played Hitler's wife Eva Braun

"This youth will find it a fascinating insight in to the fatalism of evil.

"We have just seen Mel Gibson's Passion of The Christ, now we have the Passion of Adolf Hitler."

Art historian Isabel Marschall said: "I had very strong emotional reactions to the film. For me it was a little like a nightmare I couldn't get out of.

"I always try to be careful not to feel
passion with the wrong person and I was very much aware of my emotions through the film."

Ms Marschall added she believed there was a danger in portraying the human side of Hitler on screen.


"I am pretty sure that there might be some people who are going to use this film in a way that will not necessarily be very positive for Germany," she said.

"But
it is a very good film in many ways and it is just the time for this kind of film to come out."

Skara Brae,

madkins
 
'Human' Hitler disturbs Germans, I can not hate this person.

A few honest men are better than numbers.

Oliver Cromwell(1599-1658)

BBC.-World
Last Updated: Thursday, 16 September, 2004, 15:16 GMT 16:16 UK

'Human' Hitler disturbs Germans

By Ray Furlong
BBC Berlin correspondent

Adolf Hitler is played by Swiss actor Bruno Ganz
Adolf Hitler shuffles around the tightly-packed briefing room, screaming at his generals that they are cowards, traitors, and scum.
"You studied for years at military academy - just to learn how to hold a knife and fork!" he rages, his hand shaking with Parkinson's dise
se.

This scene from The Downfall, the new German film on Hitler's last days in the bunker, shows Hitler as one might expect him.

But the film, on show across Germany from Thursday, has sparked c
ontroversy by also presenting another view of Hitler - a human one.

We see him showing te
nderness to his secretary, and receiving a chocolate birthday cake from his mistress, and later wife, Eva Braun.

There's an animal in all of us - that's the message of the movie

Bernd Eichinger, screenplay writer
"He is a human being, not a psychopath. It is true that he was charming. He had his soft spots," said screenplay writer Bernd Eichinger.

"This is what makes the whole thing so dangerous, because there's an animal in all of us - that's the message of the movie," he added.

Unpopular

It is a message that has not gone down well with some sections of the German press.

"Should a monster be portrayed as a hu
man being?" asked the tabloid newspaper Bild recently.

The rest of the media has been eagerly discussing the same question for weeks now, long before the film was even premiered.

"Ther
e is for instance one moment where we see Hitler cry, but I think if you want to have an intelligent film on his last days you shouldn't do it like that," said Cristina Nord
, a culture critic for the Tageszeitung newspaper.

"It's important to make films about perpetrators, to show how they think. But seeing Hitler cry doesn't make me know what was going on there in the last days of the Third Reich," she added.

Private side

Made at a cost of 13.5m euros ($16.4m), The Downfall is one of the most expensive German films for years.

It juxtaposes the battle for Berlin with the claustrophobic world of the bunker. But it is the portrayal of Hitler that has received most attention.

I cannot only hate this person

Bruno Ganz

At the press launch, Swiss actor Bruno Ganz set the tone when he said that he needed to feel some compassion for Hitler - for fractions of a second, as he put it - in order to play him.

"I can
not only hate this person," he said.

But for all the media debate - and a huge amount of hype - it is not the first time Hitler's last days have been dramatised in a German film.

In 1955 Georg Wilhelm Papst's film The Last Ac
t was based on a screenplay by Erich Maria Remarque, author of All Quiet on the Western Front.

Remarque saw it as a way of reviving memories. Concerned about the creeping rehabilitation of Nazi functionaries in western Germany, he followed it up a year later with the essay Be Vigilant in the London Evening News.


Juliane Koehler played Hitler's wife Eva Braun

Other films followed. A 1970s film mixed fact and drama by including recorded comments from one of Hitler's servants.

But many critics argue The Downfall
goes a step further in showing Hitler's private side.

Film historian Gertrud Koch believes it is a logical consequence of new documentaries in recent years that used previously unseen home movies
of Hitler.

"There was a famous series where all these private films done by Eva Braun and the whole crew around Hitler were shown," she said.

"I think this tendency to see Hitler more like a kind of private person was created through this historical footage," he said.

nPoisoned children

One of the most harrowing scenes from The Downfall is where the wife of prominent Nazi Joseph Goebbels, Magda, poisons her own children. She is convinced there can be no future after National Socialism.

"Drink, drink!" she shouts, forcing her screaming child to take "medicine".

But we do not see Hitler's suicide. The film is supposed to be as authentic as possible, and Hitler killed himself alone in his room with Eva Braun.
<
br>The Downfall brings Hitler closer to us, but there are limits.

Skara Brae,

madkins
 
http://www.ety.com/HRP/booksonline/witness...withis_ch05.htm

VIOLENCE:

"More people died as a result of the tiny abortive Easter Uprising
against British rule in Ireland (1916)

than died as a result of political violence in Germany
during the entire National Socialist revolution." -

Adolf Hitler

THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST FORM OF DEMOCRACY

The National Socialist form of democracy was based

on the principle of 'community of the people
 
Germans flock to see Hitler film
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More than 100,000 German filmgoers flocked to see a controversial big-budget movie about Adolf Hitler on its opening night on Thursday.
The Downfall, shown on 400 screens, stars Swiss actor Bruno Ganz as the Nazi leader and sparked debate about portraying Hitler with a human side.

Ex-German Chancellor Helmut Kohl has hailed it as a way for young people to be reminded of the horror of Hitler.

The
 
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BBC.-UK
Last Updated: Friday, 1 April, 2005, 08:53 GMT 09:53 UK

Director's look at 'human' Hitler
By Neil Smith
BBC News entertainment reporter

The director of new German film Downfall - which is released in the UK on Friday - has defended his controversial depiction of Adolf Hitler's last days.

Hirschbiegel is best known for his 2001 drama Das Experiment
Millions of people in Germany have seen the big-budget epic, which details the collapse of the Third Reich leading up to Hitler's suicide on 30 April 1945.

The drama received a best foreign language film nomination at this year's Academy Awards and has so far made $60 million (Ô�Å¡£31.5m) internationally.

But it has also provoked controversy with its portrait of the Fuhrer as a very human dictator whose insane rages jostle with acts of charity and tenderness. <

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"Should a monster be portrayed as a human being?" asked the G
erman tabloid Bild.

Realistic

Director Oliver Hirschbiegel, however, believes his portrayal of Hitler is a realistic depiction that encourages German audiences to come to terms with their past.

"We all know he was not a crocodile or an elephant, but a human being," he says.


Adolf Hitler (left) is played by Swiss actor Bruno Ganz
"The worst thing that can happen to an evil man like that is if he becomes a myth, which is what has happened for decades.

"He's among us now, and if we accept he was a human being, we have to accept that some of that evil is in all of us."

The Hamburg-born film-maker says he deliberated for four months before deciding it was his "mission" to accept the job of being the film's director.

"As a German it was easier for me to do it. I knew the language, and obviously I was very familiar with the
hist
ory.

"All these horrendous crimes were committed by my ancestors - I didn't imagine it was possible to recreate that.

"But the fact this was t
he first German film to deal with the subject made it easier."

'Cartoon Nazis'

Mr Hirschbiegel also believes it was imperative to make Downfall while key eyewitnesses were still alive.

"It's our last chance," he says. "These people are very old and are dying away, so we have to talk to them now.


Juliane Koehler (left) plays Hitler's mistress Eva Braun
"So many Second World War movies have these comic-strip, cartoon Nazis. But because you're dealing with actual history, you can ask people how it was."

Downfall is told from the point of view of Traudl Junge, one of Hitler's secretaries in his Berlin bunker.

Through her eyes we see the Nazi regime collapse from within and without, with some of Hitler's followers opting to
commit s
uicide rather than surrender to the Allied forces.

One harrowing sequence shows Magda, the wife of prominent Nazi Joseph Goebbels, poisoning her children - a scene that Hirschbiegel, the father of two daughters, describes as "the toughest in
my career".

Reservations

Downfall's dramatisation of the dictator's final hours contrasts with the 2003 film Max, which sketched the life of the young Hitler in Munich at the end of the First World War.

But Mr Hirschbiegel expresses reservations about the relevance of looking at the future Fuhrer in his formative years.


Noah Taylor played the young Hitler in 2003 film Max
"In these last 12 days I had the chance to show the last 12 years," he explains.

"If he was younger, it would be the story of a man rising from nowhere to become the master of a nation.

"Maybe it takes more movies before we can do that."

The need to find locations similar to 194
5 Berlin too
k the production to St Petersburg, a million of whose citizens perished during the Nazi blockade.

But the director says filming in the city was "a wonderful experience".

"Everyone was scared about shooting in Russia, but it was amazing how open-hearted and friendly the people were," he says.

He adds that
there was an additional resonance in seeing "Russians and Germans, former enemies, now working together".

Downfall opens in cinemas in the UK on 1 April.

Skerryvore,

madkins
 
Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

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Pip Utton as Adolf Hitler

Pip Utton is one of the country?s leading solo performers with a growing international reputation. Probably best known for his phenomenally successful portrayal of Hitler in his play ?Adolf?.

Adolf is a one man show and is coming to the Watergate for one night only.

The play has been written and is being performed by Pip Utton and is currently touring the country. This play has been described as terrifying, searching, transfixing.

Set in the F?hrer's bunker, Berlin 1945, the air is thick with betrayal as Hitler awaits the inevitable collapse of Berlin.

The 20th Century?s most notorious tyrant is da
ringly and divisively brought to the stage in one of the most successful and powerful solo works ever presented.

Pip Utton, looking uncomfortably like the Fuhrer, stands before a huge Nazi banner addressing his party faithful. He furnishes his audience with an acute anatomy of fascism; its ideological justifications; its poisoned utopias. They are in the presence of an utterly compelling idealist, and are helplessly drawn in to his warped logic.

Hitler's final performance seems over as he settles into pre-suicidal contemplation.

We know the rest... But Utton has reserved a sting for his tale... A sting so powerful that it pushes the audience into looking within themselves to question their own prejudicies and intolerance.

What was it about Adolf Hitler that compelled a nation to follow him on his crusade of racial hatred? How did he manipulate cultured people to wage a war of destruction, desolation and genocide that would leave a and everlasting scar on the 20th century and b
eyond?

Pip Utton's depiction of Adolf Hitler comes from research of the words of 'Mein Kampf' and 'Table Talk' and research into many writings about the life and times of Adolf Hitler.

Utton takes his audience on a journey that brings them to possibly understand the mindset of a nation that could allow a man such as Hitler take control.

This is live theatre at its best with a theme and subject that touches us all. It is powerful, challenging and divisive, illustrative and educational. It is utterly provocative and totally necessary. Directed by Guy Masterson, Pip Utton will stir the mind and the imagination with his interpretation of a fascist leader who exploited and manipulated a population, changing the world and the human race as he did so.

This play has already toured internationally selling out Berlin for a season. It also had very successful runs in India, Hong Kong, Holland, Belgium, Germany, Estonia, Eire, New Zealand and Australia.

This play has also won
several awards in the last few years, including Aboutheatre.com Best Actor 2002/3. Best Actor ? Phoebe Rees Awards 2003

Spirit of the Fringe Award 1997, Nominated: Best Actor, Stage Awards 1997: 2000. :hitler: :Swastika2:
 
New Hitler movie causes controversy

A startlingly convincing portrayal of Adolf Hitler in a new German movie about his last 12 days is causing controversy, with critics challenging its treatment of the "monster" as a human being.

The film, The Downfall (Der Untergang), based on eyewitness accounts and on the book of that name by historian Joachim Fest, opens in German theatres next month and is one of the country's first attempts to characterise Hitler in a film.

Told from the point of view of Traudl Junge, one of Hitler's personal secretaries, the film marks a more relaxed approach to Germany's past, reflected in an increasing number of German-made feature films about the Nazi era.

Confined to his sparsely furnished, bare-walled bunker, Hitler orders nonexistent units into battle and declares the defeated German nation "has shown itself unworthy" of him.

His aides drink up the last win
e and discuss how best to commit suicide while outside, old men and children are ordered into pointless fighting against Russian tanks.

Hitler commits suicide on April 30, but the fighting goes on for another week.

Swiss actor Bruno Ganz achieves a photographic likeness showing a stooped, gray, 56-year-old dictator plagued by Parkinson's disease, which makes him hide his shaking hand behind his back.

His hypnotising outbursts of spitting rage at the army's inability to stem the Soviet advance on Berlin are interspersed with moments of kindness for his female staff and tenderness toward Eva Braun, whom he marries a day before their suicide.

Controversially, the portrayal of Hitler verges on the sympathetic at times, and the Holocaust is referred to only briefly in his tirades.

Der Untergang, (2004)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363163/
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Adolf Hitler (played by Bruno Ganz)
 
Re: Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

its an excellent movie...and one that I believe has some balance to it because Hitler is not portrayed as some kind of crazed and insane man.

On the other hand-we should not forget the man had shortcomings that are indefensible-lets take the positives for our learning and not emulate the bad things.
 
Re: Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

Downfall was a great film and was refreshingly free of anti-Nazi editorials and falsehoods. Recall a few years back, when CBS had a Hitler mini-series and one episode began with Hitler kicking a cute dog. (No, I am not kidding.)

Also recommended would be Das Boot and a 1993 German film called Stalingrad for similar reasons.
 
Re: Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

Looks like an interesting play.

And I'll add to the other posters comments on The Downfall.

A very well made movie. Great cinematography and fine acting.

Well worth the money for the DVD. I had to watch it several times to catch everything.
 
Re: Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide


If anyone deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, it was Adolf Hitler. Hitler did not want war. World War II was forced on Germany. Poland was encouraged to attack Germany by the promises of British Ambassador Sir Howard William Kennard and French Ambassador Leon Noel. They promised unconditionally that England and France would come to Poland?s immediate aid should she need it in case of war with Germany; therefore, no matter what Poland did to provoke Germany?s attack, Poland had an assurance from England and France. With this guarantee, Poland began acting ruthlessly. In addition, Kennard and Noel flattered Poland into thinking she was a great power. As the Chinese pro
verb says, ?You can flatter a man to jump off the roof.? They sabotaged the efforts of those Polish leaders who wanted a policy of friendship with Germany.
 
Re: Adolf: a man or a monster--you decide

I found this link to be informative:

http://www.adolfthegreat.com/index.html

I look at the CEOs today in the US that are not self-made and have a measure of disgust for them. How many have walked in another man's shoes? Add to this the way that many of them are quick to measure people by margin and I get disgusted.

The way Hitler was able to bring the German people together is admirable. In the J*w's "multi-cultural" USA of today, only an economic collapse could unite whites into a force that works for their own good.

German hyperinflation led to Hitler's initial appeal for order.
 
Ending was totaly false. Soviets rampaged with murder and endless raping
Reviewed in the United States on August 3, 2019
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At the end when they were walking peacefully thru the throngs of Soviet Russians, it couldn't have been more wrong. This is revisionist re-writing of history and is despicable. The world needs to remember the horrible treatment all Germain women endured at the hands of the Soviet Russian captors. Some survivors today still tell the stories of rape and torture at the hands of the Russians. Never.....forget the truth


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Stop making movies about the Nazies. No one cares after almost 100 years.
Reviewed in the United States on August 11, 2019
Why do you continue to show movies about the Nazies, no one is hardly alive that can recall who they were. It would be like if you continued to make movies about the Genghis Khan or How the West Was Won. No one cares about this stuff except for the Jewish Defense League. Just drop it!


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